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The reason why I can't put Cataphracts at #1 is because the Byzantines lack Blast Furnace and more importantly Bloodlines. I think A tier is a good place for itKonniks are good but I don't think they're S tier good, not meta defining enough, another A tier unit, after the nerfs that is.Tarkans are also a surprise, they're definitely underrated and crapped on by the community but S tier? It does cost 1200 Food and 500 Gold, which is a heavy price to pay and severely affects this civilization’s rankings.

Their 2 biggest disadvantage is that they are hard to mass and slow. Their villagers gather food faster from sheep, and their Town Centers are cheaper than usual, which helps their economy and gives them the possibility of expanding in the mid-game much faster. The site may not work properly if you don't If you do not update your browser, we suggest you visit Press J to jump to the feed. Maybe in a TG with full trade they can be useful against a goth opponent.I consider the paladin as the Frank's UU. In tg Indians are one of the best pocket civsI actually watched the best civs and it could've had more content in less time had he planned it, I believe this is the same case?I like it, rather have him talk more about his reasons and potential use cases etc.. than to just say: "Theyre just great/terrible". And like you said Catas are not even especially good in the classic Post Imp TG.For this one, I would have liked more consistent rating. They have slightly higher attack than hand cannoneers, are more expensive, don't get the +10 attack bonus to infantry (so they end up being worse), and are made at castles.

Then they got slaughtered by a Spanish army of conquistadors, halberds and missionaries.Best: I think the Longboat is epic because of the way you can mass them up into such a tight space, what looks like 5-10 ships is really a bundle of 50 ready to shred through all opposition. The French, a civ renowned for their knights, and what unique unit do they get?

The worst UU is the berserker, then Throwing axetarkan cabalry not bad becuz attck dmg, but attack speedI've won many games in BF with Tarkans, sneak them into an enemy's town and they will burn everything down before they can even respond. However, Slavs have access to a powerful unique research that grants splash damage to all infantry units.

They are expensive but one of the best counters to mangudai, the only uu that comes close.I played Persians against an AI team of Imperial Britons, Franks and Spanish recently. A freaking melee hybrid unit that has no real strengths. Mamelukes demolish any other UU but are far too slow to mass up, Mangudai are faster to mass and almost as dangerous.The tarkan can actually be very good, if used well, but it isn't the worst UU. Each of these civilizations feature different units, bonuses, technologies and a focus on a set of unit upgrades to make them even stronger. By using our Services or clicking I agree, you agree to our use of cookies. "palisade walls... they're gonna go straight to S tier just because of how versatile they are..."Wish he kept war wagons at s tier, he was right when he trusted his gut.Cataphracts: way overrated in this list, C tier imo, maybe B tier if you ignore the upgrade cost.Konnik: imo this unit is quite average since they got nerfed. He is currently the best player and all his remarks, even the smallest, help me getting to know the game better.Looks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser. Their upgrade costs are insane, and as you say they miss a couple of key upgrade.

And they are cheap as shit.

They really depend on that suffocating flood which is not easy to get to and if you do get to it, it means your opponent was losing already. Which would give people a reason to use them.New comments cannot be posted and votes cannot be castLooks like you're using new Reddit on an old browser.

I’ve done some research and play testing to conjure up this AOE 2 DE tier list. The only time I really like them is VS Magyar since they shred through the their Unique unit which everyone loves to spam. I'd move them down to A.I'd move Leitis up to S...I really think people need to use them more...especially in castle, the damn thing is unstoppable.Kamayuk definitely A tier...if not S. It can do everything. At least TAs have an occasional use, but Tarkans just suck. Their unique unit is the Longbowman which can out-range virtually every other unit in the game as well as towers and castles once fully upgraded. The only time I really like them is VS Magyar since they shred through the their Unique unit which everyone loves to spam.In my opinion Samurai should also have an attack bonus vs. cavalry. Unique Unit: Boyar Boyar being the unique unit has nothing to do with infantry, instead it’s a heavy cavalry unit. At the moment, AoE2 DE features 35 unique Civilizations (races) that you can play and conquer with. The gracious ballerinas are top dog. How could we change then to make them more balanced?conqs best in castle age, janis and plumes number two mamelukes, mangudais and plumes best in imperialI also think tarkans are shit, would be cool if they would get 4+4 pierce armor and maybe reduced attackI don't know about an attack reduction but I'v always felt they needed to be a slightly more tankier unit given that as is Paly's are so much better for pretty much everything but razing.I don't understand janissaries.

), but if the opponent isn’t using Cav they are mediocre at best.Ikrrr kamayuks could even be S 'cause their so OP when stacked because of their +1 range.Tarkans are good and can be made at stables but they're still somewhat situational...ie only good for one thing, raiding towns that are only defended by arrow-fire (castles and TC's).

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